Machlokes isnt the issue - a girl can learn that there are different opinions in pshat (although it would be more important to teach her the lessons than a list of psahtaim). The problem is when it goes beyond the simple translation into Chazal's drashos and explications. Rashi has alot of that. Thats why there are those who say the Chofetz Chaim would not permit girls to learn Rashi. Others disagree, and say that Rashi is needed for simple pshat.

But if it doesnt, tell them that the shulchan aruch and poskim unanimously prohibit the teaching of Gemora to girls. That being so, halachicly it does not matter who did or did not learn Gemora. WHat they would now have is a difficulty with whoever they think learned Gemora - they would nto have a heter.

And besides, the prisha says that on their own, outside of a classroom setting, without teachers, a woman may learn Gemora, sicne it shows she is exceptional. As I mentioned, I believe that does not apply nowadays, since girls learnign gemora today woudl show nothgin of the sort, sicne it has become stylish ot the point where it sno longer says anythgin abotu the girl who is learning, but in those dayd the heter surely applied.

proud2bfrum Posted - 30 July 2004 11:48

Punims,
If a rapist told you that the sky was blue on a nice suuny day, would you disagree with him? What if he told you e=mc2? Despite the fact that you know he's right, would you still disagree with him? What if a very holy and famed rabbi told you that the world is flat and geocentric? Would you whole-heartedly believe him? It is not outlandish, but I understand why you would say that. It comes from a certain amount of an emotional attachment, and excuse me for saying this, but it is very common in girls. There are times where I will hear Rabbis that I respect so much say the most illogical things. Some people may choose to believe it no matter how it is disproven because they have the emotional connection to the Rabbi, but others will reject it while realizing that their esteen in that Rabbi should not be lowered. I explained my ideas more in depth before, but the Moderator chose not to post it. MODERATOR Posted - 30 July 2004 11:54

The issue is not if you should choose to bleieve it but shoudl you go asking that person for Torah in the first place. The asnwer is no. Torah is not science - it is soul-to-soul connection. It is also a chilul Hashem to recognize such a person as a teacher of the public.
Do you think the husband of that woman who was raped in your example would go make the rapist his Rebbe? Even though he may have information to covey, the outrage at his offense would motivate any decent man to stay away.
So too when someone hurts our G-d and our people by distorting the Torah we would be giving Hashem a terrible slap in the face by learnign Torah form such a person.
But here the issue is not that the man is a rapist but that he is a distorter of Torah and you have no idea of knowing what is distorted and what is not.
Although I did not post your post, I did answer it. Your reasoning is all addressed there. I did not post it because your opinions about the irght and the left and peoples motivations for wanting or not wanting girls to learn are not relevent to the topic and only confusing to any readers. Again, your poitns were addressed.
Punims Posted - 09 August 2004 12:31

Saying the sky is blue and that mc= whatever is distorting what I wrote. That's just obvious - if a bug told me the sky was blue I'd believe him. And if you believe your rabbi when he tells you something that you find not to be true, that's an idiot - the smart person would go back to the rabbi and explain why he thinks the rabbis wrong, so they can figure out who misunderstood who.

taon